High IQ - poor emotional hygiene, excessive rationalizing of emotions

Usedandabused · Oct 17, 2021

I noticed that people with extremely high IQs, such as asperger's and people with extremely low IQs (such as psychopaths) get job opportunities, it is the ones in the middle that struggle the most... lol.

Should lie on the cv I have some disability then I'd get a great job I bet lol, as it is the law, or I should commit a crime like the psychopath or complain about my 180 iq I don't have as an asperger... lol

High and low iq people still complain about their great lives,

It's curious. I think I read somewhere that decency isn't really valued nowadays, which is curious too, as you see psychopaths with support networks whilst normal people totally without. The asperger's people I saw also had support networks, it's the people in between that struggle and are abandoned a bit. You have a disability, and society protects people with disabilities, which is good-lucky too, btw I don't think QM says that.

The issue with your chronic pain is associated with the serotonin deficiency, exactly the opposite situation that the psychopath has, where they have no pain at all and excess serotonin. You should integrate dairy and chocolate and all those foods that have tryptophan in it, to compensate. I wrote an article about this in the current year, that could help out understand better, what type of foods are good for you, but this research on tryptophan deficiency in autism has been done 20 years ago the one I wrote about was about serotonin depletion in psychopaths, because they are your opposite, as they lack empathy by not being able to feel any pain ever, whether physical and certainly not psychological since their upbringing didn't modulate the problem they had. It is why with people who produce excess serotonin the disciplining is essential, whereas it is less important in autism, where communication disciplining and more of an empathetic approach could help. Anyway, there have been cures for autism for years but somehow parents of children with autism lived in societies where they wouldn't take their children to the doctor, not to mention the amount of misdiagnoses.

Usedandabused · Oct 21, 2021

empleat said:
People with extremely high IQ are not likely to get jobs, because they are poor at interviews and hard to be around and they are poor team players (depends). Usually extremely high IQ people tend to have impaired social skills! So it depends which SD! Through they may get some high level job opportunities. Or they create their own company, because they prefer to do things in their own ways and hate to argue with dumb people and have problems with authority and what not...

Yeah it is called "affirmative action". There was study in Brazil, which showed how affirmative action discriminate against very students it was supposed to aid, just because they don't fall into certain categories...

Well world got much more cynical since Global Warming got mainstream and gap between poor and rich is increasing. And people are taught consumerism and materialism in the West, but happines comes from within as byproduct, if you live well! It is not something which is attained directly! Also people are moving into cities and working using their minds, so Mental Disorders are on the rise! You have concept of "Maslow Pyramid" when people need to satisfy their basic needs first, then they start to move up to spiritual ones, then they are more likely realize these things... People want to be just happy, but corporations try to aggravate them against each other to divide and rule and destroy collectivism and basic human decency e.g. individualism, capitalism is also destroying jobs and rich try to push down poor, so people are getting more miserable and cynical! There are millions of things which caused this...... Also to not forget social media and people being addicted to them, which is making them less happy, because they are used to fake standards! And they think they are less attractive they are and do stupid things online, instead go out and talk to people in person... It is probably trillion things honestly, this is just 0.00000000000000000....1 Everything is wrong, more things are wrong than right

Psychopaths have support networks, because they are charismatic and like to be center of attention and they try to keep people close to exploit them and fake relationships etc. So they are quite socially successful, even if they are faking it!

I Am not expert on QM, but my understanding is: e.g. one of QM interpretations like: "Many Words" where every possible permutation happens at one of these parallel universes. Or you can have one infinite universe, where every possible permutation happens at some point in time. Also matter wants to increase likelyhood of rearranging itself into most possible permutations (I read that on Sabine Hossenfelder's blog) that's Entropy, which is usually known as chaos, or disorder.

Yeah I need to seriously upgrade my diet, I was in such a terrible state and lived soo poorly! I also heard Taurin may help with autism, I didn't look into it properly yet.

Idk but the ones I came across all had a job even those with disabilities get jobs, I was the only one who had issues to get a job, because noone would introduce me for a postdoc, as you need to be introduced, but my same boss introduced all other people and I saw other bosses would do that too, but I wasn't lucky in that sense, it's fine and I am still applying, but I have submitted over 1000 applications, and I changed my cv several times, and yet nothing. Some claim they don't have funding, even if it is advertised that they do, which is why it's very tricky. I had my reputation temporary ruined when I became victim of organised crime, but that was cleared recently, and the situation has improved a bit, but it's only been a month and I am submitting applications just now. Anything that happened in my life prior to October was pretty much a disaster. My IQ is now 150-160 I forgot, but I think it obviously can increase, with studying and reading. Initially when I was 18 it was 136 I think so as you can see, it wasn't that high, but when you study it gets higher, likewise with every pregnancy or with your period you lose a lot of iq, so it's not so accurate.
It's again a tool and so it must be used correctly, i.e. you see some "psychopaths" sometimes carrying out iq tests on non-native speakers and that can impact the iq test too as a matter of understanding. The other thing is whether it is timed or not, HSPs generally score low on timed tests, because we panic instead of staying calm, unlike you asperger or autistic people do, therefore a non-timed IQ test would probably be the most accurate result about your knowledge and skills, so you see it is hard to make a test that can suit everyone, and I don't think you should care much about iq tests in general. Your right to employment is your right, and especially if you have a disability. I don't know anyone without a disability who doesn't have a job, all the people I trained got a postdoc and are now lecturers, only I didn't, because I am not disabled and because I didn't have someone who would introduce, I rem asking before everyone to my boss, since I was the first who graduated, and he promised me, but he never did, he did for the others though. He wouldn't even let me graduate as he had been asked not to let me graduate by organised criminals, and yet, I insisted and got graduated, but I still thank him to this day, even though it wasn't like he did really help me that much, but I did help everyone a lot, as I believed in teamwork, however it seems being selfish pays off more, but it is not my mindset, as in terms of science we achieved a lot by working together, so yes, I don't think by being competitive you can work honestly, and in science competition shouldn't have any place, unless it is competition at putting in the market some new drug for example (I should know as a pharmacologist), but still they don't. Imagine I could give a lecture about this and I should get paid, but giving them online for free, because I don't have a job, but it is natural when you don't have recommendations, so yes, I don't think talents and recommendations are related. People might get recommendations simply because they kiss a for example, but a real scientist is a true rebel lol.
You also get the narcissist who kind of disagrees with everything and yet has no clue, and so that's not a conventional rule that we can rely on. Obviously you work on your own for the most part, but it's ok to exchange what you did with other researchers, and that is teamwork. Again, if they are ethical they wouldn't steal from you but yes some people you don't know steal from you, lots of plagiarism nowadays too, so it is best to back each other up against those dishonest behaviours and even when that happened to me, I was alone, on the science front, so yes, it's not so easy without recommendations. I applied so much but noone hires me, but they have no trouble hiring psychopaths and that really makes me wonder. Then I obviously lose respect for someone who is unable to make unbiased assessments and lose interest too, and I even begin doubting them, because you ask yourself, but why they don't pick you if your work is good? Then they don't like good work, they like the psychopath, and it's really hard to take someone like that seriously too. Some say "it is envy", but even being envious can make you lose respect towards the envious individual. It's unfair always, and they do harm people with those actions, even they are unaware of it, because being unemployed is not a safe way to be, so to prevent that you have 50 plans b, but yes, it's not easy without recommendations. My plan b is working as a pharmacist, but the thing is I am not a pharmacist, but a pharmacologist. Yes I have a pharmD and a phD in something else but they are extras. Still I am a scientist and did a lot of work in that field as a teacher and researcher, so I'd like to see a reward with retribuition instead of having my chances all ruined because I don't have any back up. I mean, everyone else had recommendations, why noone recommended me, I have no idea. When I became a victim of organised crime, they all cut contact with me in the beginning.

Usedandabused · Oct 21, 2021

empleat said:
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I Am not sure what are you trying to say about getting a job, as you said: people with extremely high/low IQ have easy time getting jobs, but those in middle struggle the most. 150-160 is not middle, it is more than 99.9% of population as you know. But by your definition you could call that a broader middle. I just don't know how you meant it exactly! Also I don't know your exact situation, maybe you are an exception. Sorry to hear that you have trouble BTW, life sucks!

Yeah if you took test once, that doesn't mean that much. Since it measures IQ only at one point in time! Also in 20s your IQ is at highest! While at 18 is more like maturing (not sure). Also even IQ is correlated to academic success, and is important: it is only part of an intelligence! More factors together makes you smart: Why a high IQ doesn't mean you're smart Yeah training and healthy lifestyle is important, as environment plays even bigger role than genes! I want to make program in C++ which would calculate every permutation of substances contained in foods and than I send my blood to nutriogeneticist (to determinate best RDA) even it wasn't empirically validated yet, I need every advantage I can get and will check it again later... But it will take long time, since I have have headaches and problems with RSI! I can't even properly read, or write ATM! I need just most important basics ATM! Also learning to play at an instrument and to compose music increases IQ Study says learning a musical instrument increases your IQ by 10 percent Also figure out how to activate good genes and millions of things, we never stop learning...

Yeah my IQ is probably like only 130-145, doubt more, as I have ADHD. Also since I overdosed on Zolpidem as I had severe back pain which started to occur to me from the blue sky! I couldn't even sleep 5 days in a row and I didn't realize it was so addictive. Only 1 tablet and then when I realized that - it was already too late! It creates a problem: trouble with searching for words. I had never high verbal intelligence, but I used to talk quickly without pauses. Now I can't recall words in English, than I translate one e.g. and I knew all 20 definitions of it - it is crazy! Also it damages short-term memory and increases recall time! And experts say it decreases ability to learn! One study says: people after overdosing from Zolpidem never returned to cognitive levels before! Also it may be because it causes derealization/depersonalization, which is linked with impeded memory!

I was annoying me quite awhile since I used to have a great intelligence and great potential. But now I don't care, while I care at the same time (I will explain later). My IQ dropped literally about 50% immediately after that! It improved slightly, but still I have problems to this day and persisting adverse effects! I had great reserves, so it is not as bad as it could have been for person of average IQ, but I also lived unhealthy long time and eaten poorly and multi-tasked a lot and didn't sleep well and what not. I used to remember like 30 sentences when I heard them, not in exact order with couple mistakes. Or read 4 pages of scientific maganize I did no understand as a kid and remember every fact, which is like 4-11% of actual text. Or to learn at high school quarter test from language 5 minutes before exam, 1x A4 of weird poem terms and from flash card of some student and I got A- best from class, which is not really impressive, but decent! Or we had 2 hours for 15 minute work, I did it in 5. I also beaten in Chess 150IQ guy, which learned 6 languages at the same time and he was very fast and one 130 after that, which could be luck. I didn't played it and he also didn't. Or I was beating one 140IQ guy in tick-tack-toe and one 126 repeatedly, sometimes I would lose to that 140.

So after Zolpidem, I didn't help it with unhealthy lifestyle, because I wanted to kill myself... I had problem to remember even 1 sentence in 15 minutes WTF??? It wasn't even that long from now, while I started doing really hard and smart work and improved a lot and I Am forced to live anyways, suicide doesn't do anything... Even maybe have motivation (when I learn and experience ego death and pure beauty)!

It is sad: I literally knew since I was kid 10 000 healthy lifestyle rules and I wanted to maintain them (lol I would think like Goether: smart men committs no minor blunders) WTF? I Am literally AI on permutations, not even kidding But because I have ADHD: I can't literally focus on anything which doesn't interest me and entertain me! Otherwise I have strong pain in brain! But then hyperfocus is out of control, I Am working on 150% and focus greatly! But it is tough to tap in into it, it is double edged sword! Something I need to figure out. I think, when I get rid of chronic pain and start doing real things, interest will come, so I need to be patient and kind to myself!

lol i RAN INTO CHARACTER LIMIT! TO BE CONTINUED...

Idk my first IQ test was timed was accurate and it was 136 as I did it in school and it is average, obviously when you go on studying you become more clever, it's just a fact of life. It isn't higher than the majority of people, as Asperger's (now called high functioning autism as it doesn't exist as a term in psychology anymore) get it as high as 180 at the age of 18. So it's not completely true, maybe that, as the more experience you get, the more your IQ increases, so yes, Idk really, but I guess someone that young having it so high yes, then it can be interpreted that way; of course at a certain age we begin to degenerate as you begin growing older, but to prevent that, health should be put first and using your brain, not to the extent of exhaustion but occasionally relaxing and doing some brain exercises with those apps certainly helps.

I have done some programming, so maybe I can advise on that, but generally I'd advise on learning fortran instead of C++, with C++ debugging is pretty tricky and you sometimes don't find the bugs easily, whereas with fortran it is more immediate. So I feel like fortran is better to learn at first, because I started with C++, but I do think fortran is more effective, and is better for debugging as it teaches you where you are wrong exactly, I actually even prefer other programs than these two, because they are simpler, and life should be simple lol.

Well, Idk, but I did have a student that I tutored with Asperger's (high functioning autism), I dated one in the past (without knowing) and have a couple in the family. It usually can be comorbid with OCD, HPD and even BPD or PPD.
There is one who claims to have NPD, Idk if I understand that tbh. Yes I have heard of this ADHD thing too, and I couldn't imagine one with both as I have never seen one with both, and couldn't understand how that wpuld be possible, but I have seen history of ADHD also associated with BPD.

Exactly drug abuse does decrease intellectual performance and also causes cognitive decline, zolpidem is not a pain killer though, it is a sleep inducer, for back pain you must get vitamin d. That looks like an addiction issue.

It's really not so much fun being a highly sensitive person, and I think in Asperger you are much happier because you avoid thinking about social situations that are negative, but I am not so sure about that, as I do think Asperger people tend to hide how they feel.

I read pets are good for asperger people, especially cats.

Usedandabused · Oct 21, 2021

empleat said:
Yeah I never stay calm, I used to be obsessed with IQ and geniuses and it also interested me. To address this I have to explain something first:

I have also higher RQ, than IQ I think, as I Am near a superrational thinker - as people with ASD don't factor emotions into their reasoning - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... nd%20anger not decision-maker tho, because everyone (even most logical person) decides by emotions at the end Decisions are largely emotional, not logical

I have aphantasia (no mind's eye) and almost no imagination (which are 2 separate things) therefore I Am excellent at logical thinking https://iai.tv/articles/why-humans-are-the-most-irrational-animals-auid-1239&utm_source=reddit&_auid=2020

I have bad long-term memory, but great working memory/sequential memory, so I need to re-invent everything from 0, as I forget a lot! This article explains: the more you know the more you are vulnerable to cognitive bias: Why humans find it so hard to let go of false beliefs | Aeon Essays Also because we tend to automatically accept things, which are consistent with our pre-existent believes: https://topanswers.net/your-beliefs-are-much-harder-to-justify-than-you-think/ I try to question everything from 0, I love being heavily criticized (you are teaching me for free) I Am open to possibilities.

I Am very sensitive & emotional person and I Am aware of my emotions well

- you need to be aware of your emotions so they don't hijack your logical thinking process

I Am great at logical, critical, rational, analytical thinking and logical creativity Why a high IQ doesn't mean you're smart

I read like million of articles (probably I visited million judging from history, but read fully only like 100 000~, because I had already headaches and I couldn't even read at that point) about Free Will in one year, after I had existential crisis and weird philosophical considerations, so yeah I Am good at Philosophy

Most importantly: I know soo much, that I know - I know nothing! Plato I Am paraphrasing: "perhaps most rational person is the one, who acknowledges that he knows nothing". We can't prove, or disprove anything, as everything is based on some assumption! Except: "I think therefore I Am" and even about that I Am not entirely sure!

I Am great at strategical thinking and very perceptive

I don't even feel like human anymore, but emergent property of particles interacting with each other, which obey physical laws and like flow of information.

To continue... Neocortex is subservient to limbic system - from the first point above (even most logical thinker decides at the end by emotions)! I Am so rational it is crazy! Since I had existential crisis and I wanted to kill myself a long time, it started back-then and was getting worse. It is like my limbic system was trying to convince me to stay alive! I read a lot about Psychology, genes, evolution and so on and so on, it would take year to explain... Also I have some emotion and I rationalize it and I try not to suppress it (I was doing this before pathologically, even i shouldn't!) but it still bothers me. Problem is some of mine emotions are hardly solvable, at least ATM. Now I Am dealing literally with just bare survival: diet and exercise... I'll probably figure it out quickly, but I need to talk about it and not give fuck. I still feel shame, which is most potent of human emotions, as emotions are evolutionary regulations for survival and feedback loops...

I went on a ramble, but it was relevant, it can be much worse trust me Oh yeah now I recalled I can't almost write, because to every thing you say, I can see 20 things, if I Am calm on theta waves and I can sub-consciously recall things I didn't think years about (you are supposed to solve problems sub-consciously BTW)! Oh my god oh my god, when there is this rush, it is most beautiful thing in the world!!! Oh yeah I was talking about IQ test, BTW I shouldn't write so much, because it is uncomfortable I have RSI and I get tingling in my fingers... I was overdoing being on computer soo much, which was stupid...

Oh yeah to that IQ testing. I tried one online mensa when I was kid, which isn't that accurate obviously and I had only 126, but it is capped only to 30 questions. I was anxious, because I wanted to have obviously high score. I literally forgot right answer like 3 times and couldn't focus. Probably because overexcitabilities. I Am very sensitive emotional person and my strongest over

Idk, yes it is a bit different by High Sensitivity, I wouldn't know how to explain high sensitivity to you, tbh.

As it's just a personality trait.

Hmm... hacking is not good as it's another form of organised crime, but yes, autistic people are often victims of them, as they might get manipulated, being that you struggle with social situations? Is that right? And I think it's hard for you to understand social situations, and for me explaining such complex things is not very easy either, as I do see also speaking with other asperger's they struggle with understanding what I mean and I always must repeat, it's just out of your control, as once you are in the presence of the psychopath you just can't resist their manipulation tactics, the psychopath has charm and that might draw you in, even if you may hate to admit it, and you might end up doing things without knowing and getting used.

We HSPs have a different type of creativity which is more artistic than mathematical, but we might be good with abstract concepts such as abstract mathematics (i.e. I was very good with calculus, but terrible at algebra and euclidean geometry as I guess it is the sensitivity to the use that calculus has in terms of contribution far more than euclidean geometry, which hasn't that much of a contribution and is more concrete). So we understand abstract better than concrete, even if we look for concrete applications, but yes the asperger's brain is more into concrete things, and that is why timed tests are not ideal for us, but yes, we are really average smart, and not geniuses either. I think asperger is considered genius more. Social intelligence is very high in we hsps which is why we should be a threat to the psychopath (I was told, Idk, but yes I do reckon situations very quickly, i.e. behind closed doors kinda situations), but still they target us as they don't see us as capable of taking them down, it is the big ego that harms the psychopath, as they tend to dig their own graves and also their fear of getting caught. Idk if an autistic person could recognise a psychopath, I teach them, but I see they really seek them out in a crowd, and don't get the alarm bells I do have. And once they actually spot one, they then confront them etc., but my advice is to avoid them.

Yes, asperger is hypersensitive, hsp is highly sensitive, I don't know how to explain the difference.