Does existance of uncoscious mind, make free will impossible ?

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As reasoning logical beings we should examine all our conscious thoughts before making a cognizant decision. You may not be aware of subconscious thoughts, but are still able to make intelligent decisions based upon the conscious information your senses and cognitive training provide you.
Hope this answers your question,
Ivery
 
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If we can't see all our thoughts, is there a place for our own choices and freedom in our lives ?
I can respond in somatic terms and your mind is free in somatic terms as we have such a large neuronal network (basically larger than the stars in the milky way), that you couldn't say we are restrained in our thoughts, we have lots of capacity compared to computers for example, but yes as far as Freud is concerned, Ivery provided a good enough answer ;)
 
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Say two racoons descended from space and laser jacked my mind.

If the lasers somehow excited my sub conscious brain, and my emotional brain remembered the "sensation", then "free will" could exist, unless you asked the racoons to define exactly how much their operation costs.

In the 5th century, FACT! The letter "S" began to look similar to the letter "f".

The word "F"ree may be brain damage from the plague, dark ages and nothing more.
 
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Say two racoons descended from space and laser jacked my mind.

If the lasers somehow excited my sub conscious brain, and my emotional brain remembered the "sensation", then "free will" could exist, unless you asked the racoons to define exactly how much their operation costs.

In the 5th century, FACT! The letter "S" began to look similar to the letter "f".

The word "F"ree may be brain damage from the plague, dark ages and nothing more.
That sounds like some conspiracy theory nonsense sorry.
 
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As reasoning logical beings we should examine all our conscious thoughts before making a cognizant decision. You may not be aware of subconscious thoughts, but are still able to make intelligent decisions based upon the conscious information your senses and cognitive training provide you.
Hope this answers your question,
Ivery
Perchaps our conscious thoughts, as you say are reliant enough to make decisions freely. However, what if our examination of conscious thoughts is just an illusion and in reality we just explain try to explain to ourselves what our subconsiousness had already chosen.
Then, what is the cognitive training ?
 
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Your cognitive training includes your sensory experiences, memories, and your abstract concepts such as math. I think, therefore I am is the beginning of the cognitive experience. The fact that you are actually typing questions on a psychology forum should demonstrate to you your own existence. Don't believe me? Take a hammer and hit your thumb with it, then see if it is all in your head, or if there may be more to reality than just your ethereal thoughts...
Good luck, (and maybe just a scratch on the arm would be better than a hammer to the thumb, that was just to make a point...)
Ivery
 
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Your cognitive training includes your sensory experiences, memories, and your abstract concepts such as math. I think, therefore I am is the beginning of the cognitive experience. The fact that you are actually typing questions on a psychology forum should demonstrate to you your own existence. Don't believe me? Take a hammer and hit your thumb with it, then see if it is all in your head, or if there may be more to reality than just your ethereal thoughts...
Good luck, (and maybe just a scratch on the arm would be better than a hammer to the thumb, that was just to make a point...)
Ivery
yes, that is Descartes.
 
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Your cognitive training includes your sensory experiences, memories, and your abstract concepts such as math. I think, therefore I am is the beginning of the cognitive experience. The fact that you are actually typing questions on a psychology forum should demonstrate to you your own existence. Don't believe me? Take a hammer and hit your thumb with it, then see if it is all in your head, or if there may be more to reality than just your ethereal thoughts...
Good luck, (and maybe just a scratch on the arm would be better than a hammer to the thumb, that was just to make a point...)
Ivery
The fact that my hands are writting the questions on a psychology forum, previously given by my mind do not proof that i could have done otherwise. I'am not talking about my existance, i know that i exist but i also know there are invisible forces that are driving me, how can i know that there if there is more than 0.001% of my actions that are truly mine, independants of the unconsious and of others impositions.
Then i'am sorry i really tried but i just can't persuade myself to take a hammer and hit my thumb.
If i would have free will perchaps i would do it, but the forces that are inside me are manifesting inside me the image of disgust at blood flowing from my body.

Could you please take from me the burden of freedom that i'am clearly not taking by my own choice and do it in my place ?
 
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Wow, FROID, that is very interesting. You are asking me to remove your burden of freedom, which is something the great majority of people in the world to day desire... it sounds like this may be something you will need help conquering, I am not sure you can accomplish this by yourself. I wish you the best of luck, and will support you any way I can, but this may be more than we can accomplish on this forum...
Ivery
 
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