Does people want to hear truth?

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Maraz

Feb 2022
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Hi,

I want to know what you think about statement "People do not want to hear the truth, they want the truth be what they want it to be.". Do you agree? Do you disagree? In my opinion you have to be masochist or because of a think I don't want to share since I have not finished developing that thought. They would have to be masochists since what is good about things that are just truthful? Isn't it completely natural to want to be lied about about certain things?

Give me thorough answers please. :)
 
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IveryKeys

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Soccreates said the unexamined life is a life not worth living. He compared the unenlightened life like living in a cave where the entrance is blocked by a large rock which allows only reflected sunlight in the cave. The people see shadows on the cave wall which represent the real world. Occaisionally someone escapes the cave and sees the real world in detailed color. This is what Soccrates would call enlightened. This person will return to the cave and try to describe what the enlightened world is like outside of the cave, but the masses reject the person as a freak. They prefer to remain in their unenlightened state. They are unwilling to pursue truth. I believe that is true today as well. Most people seem to prefer to operate on feelings (as in I feel those shadows are the real world) rather than make the effort to pursue truth. Truth has a way of proving us wrong in our assumptions which then means we have to admit we were wrong about something. Truth makes us uncomfortable at times because it calls upon us to change our mind or our lives. BUT change is necessary for progress. We moved from a world dominated by feelings (I feel the world is flat) to the age of reason. I fear we have begun to return to a world where people are content to live with their feelings rather than search for truth...
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Ivery
 
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Usedandabused

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Maraz said:
Hi,

I want to know what you think about statement "People do not want to hear the truth, they want the truth be what they want it to be.". Do you agree? Do you disagree? In my opinion you have to be masochist or because of a think I don't want to share since I have not finished developing that thought. They would have to be masochists since what is good about things that are just truthful? Isn't it completely natural to want to be lied about about certain things?

Give me thorough answers please. :)
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I am not sure. These types of conversations are kind of uninteresting, because they are quite negative and toxic, Idk who is toxic or what, but generally it is best to avoid this type of conversation. They are very low energy conversations. If someone talked to me about "people" are like this or like that, I'd tend to avoid after a while, particularly when it is not caused by any traumatic event or something, as it could indicate some form of grandiosity.
 
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Maraz

Feb 2022
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My point is "Is the truthfulness of a statement sufficient reason for a human to want it to hear it?". In other words do we want to hear the truth simply and just because it is truthful? As IveryKeys said truth may lead to a change and change can be uncomfortable. Well although change is necessary for progress is progress desired? We as a humans don't like when others lie to us, especially the loved ones, but are there not things we don't want to find out despite them being truthful and real even more than we want to hear the truth? Another question is "Why do/would we even want to hear the truth?".

Btw IDK what to imagine under "these types of conversation" or how is a topic related to toxicity of a discussion.
 
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IveryKeys

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I learned a long time ago that if my wife asks me "does this outfit make me look fat?" that she does not want to hear the truth. On the other hand, when she tells me that my tie does not match my shirt, I appreciate the input, as she has a better eye for color than I do. If the truth hurts us, we can pretend it is not the truth, that the person talking does not know what they are talking about, or we can take the truth to heart and look for ways we can change so the truth becomes more palatable to us. I want to hear the truth, so that my tie, my opinions, my reality is in fact truth. Logic is the science of truth, and generally the more rational or logical our approach to life, the more we appreciate the truth. On the other hand, if someone is more touchy feely good about themselves the truth may illuminate uncomfortable issues which they do not want to confront. So, my answer to your question in a round about way, is that I and many others desire to know the truth, even if it hurts, while others would prefer to live in an artificial state of feel good. Hope this helps,
Ivery
 
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Maraz

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Peter Hausamann said:
Truth is real. What is not true is not real. Those that believe in, or rely on, what is not true are self-deluded.
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How is that a problem? I would say I see this as living vs not living in a matrix. Is't desired more important than real, good etc.? Does not desire stand above everything else?
 
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Peter Hausamann

Jul 2021
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Maraz said:
How is that a problem? I would say I see this as living vs not living in a matrix. Is't desired more important than real, good etc.? Does not desire stand above everything else?
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Depends on what desires what.
Most humans desire to be free from their fears, not by facing the 'truth' behind them, but by deception such as denial, blame, revenge, anger, emotional blackmail, etc.
Only what is true within us desires truth, which is unconditional by nature. All other desires are conditional.
 
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