Does existance of uncoscious mind, make free will impossible ?

Sep 2021
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Wow, FROID, that is very interesting. You are asking me to remove your burden of freedom, which is something the great majority of people in the world to day desire... it sounds like this may be something you will need help conquering, I am not sure you can accomplish this by yourself. I wish you the best of luck, and will support you any way I can, but this may be more than we can accomplish on this forum...
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I'am not asking you to help me to free myself but to proof that you yourself have a free will by how you said taking "a hammer to the thumb " ?
Besides, is there a reason to believe in free will others than that it give you the capacity to critisize anyone who you don't like ? Great majority of the world may desire to remove free will, but in reality it is also necesarry at least to some point, as if everyone would believe in his freedom, casuality, the main tool of reason and science will become alienated. Every mass murder, could be blamed on free will, every death from disease could be blamed on free will. Instead of analysing and changing the reasons of a phenomenon, it would become widely accepted that each misery is started by an invisible and unstopablle parasyte named the freedom to act as you want.
 
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I'am not asking you to help me to free myself but to proof that you yourself have a free will by how you said taking "a hammer to the thumb " ?
Besides, is there a reason to believe in free will others than that it give you the capacity to critisize anyone who you don't like ? Great majority of the world may desire to remove free will, but in reality it is also necesarry at least to some point, as if everyone would believe in his freedom, casuality, the main tool of reason and science will become alienated. Every mass murder, could be blamed on free will, every death from disease could be blamed on free will. Instead of analysing and changing the reasons of a phenomenon, it would become widely accepted that each misery is started by an invisible and unstopablle parasyte named the freedom to act as you want.
Free will is really a stoic term, if we think of Seneca and the other stoics that used it, it is quite a spiritual ascetic way to view at things. I think you are quoting Durkheim when you are stating that free will is the freedom of harm too, in terms of that we don't know whether we are right and criminal psychopaths are right, why we think we are right. Simple, I believe psychopaths are wrong and we are right, I'll use Darwin for that, as the survival of the species is important, so in my view materialism does answer that question. Modern science has particularly proven that our bodies want to survive as there are animals that for example live at least 3 times our lifespan.
 
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Sep 2021
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Free will is really a stoic term, if we think of Seneca and the other stoics that used it, it is quite a spiritual ascetic way to view at things. I think you are quoting Durkheim when you are stating that free will is the freedom of harm too, in terms of that we don't know whether we are right and criminal psychopaths are right, why we think we are right. Simple, I believe psychopaths are wrong and we are right, I'll use Darwin for that, as the survival of the species is important, so in my view materialism does answer that question. Modern science has particularly proven that our bodies want to survive as there are animals that for example live at least 3 times our lifespan.
I do not realy say that free will is also freedom to harm. I tried to demonstrate that as anythying can be blame on the believe in free will, the believe in free will can introduce disadvantages into societies, as the believe in free will may discourage to seek pragmatic resolutions to certains issues because we can always say that person to which this tragedy happened was of his own fault and he could simply act differently.
 
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I do not realy say that free will is also freedom to harm. I tried to demonstrate that as anythying can be blame on the believe in free will, the believe in free will can introduce disadvantages into societies, as the believe in free will may discourage to seek pragmatic resolutions to certains issues because we can always say that person to which this tragedy happened was of his own fault and he could simply act differently.
Of course you don't say that, Durkheim said that :p :) Yes, it is not always their fault, because psychopathy really exists, as a psychiatrist did many studies proving it, and I have experienced a few and they do really cause trouble. It's good to think society is rosy and all that, but it's also ok to be prepared in case it lets us down. Of course if you live in a safe area all good, but imagine venturing to places where there are many negative situations, and you don't know it, and least expect it, as it's just new, then it's hard to blame yourself or the victim in general over it, you do blame the psychopath, because that's where the actual blame belongs, but yes, you could say it is your fault to feel better about it, except it isn't because we live in a society, which should be our protection.
 
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Logically how can someone else's actions be your fault? It is against logic to make yourself believe that, because someone else convinces you to think so. They are very peculiar, as generally are affected by a substance abuse issue, low intelligence, and a mixture of this, as well as high serotonin levels, and were extremely spoiled as children, they never suffered in their lives, and being quite not intelligent, are very arrogant. Imagine just looking at one can trigger dangerous behaviours against your person, regardless of what your rights are. So in general it is good to know your rights and recognise them, some travel to you too, you can't know, you can predict them, yes, but only if you learn what that is. Thankfully we live in a fair society, but not all societies are fair, so yes, to consider this, and I understand you are saying "ok, those who live in those societies are a bit losers", well yes, it does have a genetic "reason" and predisposition, but studies say that it is not a necessity to becoming one. They can simply make the right choices. It's hard to say when the psychopath has never experienced hardship, then how can he-she know what hardship is.
 
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If we can't see all our thoughts, is there a place for our own choices and freedom in our lives ?
you choose what you desire, but you dont choose your desires. and therefore its irrelevant if your thoughts are conscious or unconsicous when it comes to choice. you have none either way.

survival of the genetic body > pleasure and pain > past memory of pleasure and pain > currect desire > choice > behavior

cause and effect
 
May 2010
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The notion that one has "free will" is due to a lack of understanding the Reality of the Law of Karma. The simple definition is this: "As you sow, so shall you reap". This means that every action one takes will come back to oneself to experience. We might say that we had "fee will" to begin the process, but we would be wrong. We all come into this lifetime with a Fate Karma, which is constructed of bits and pieces of our stored Karma, held "Within" one's MIND. I prefer to use the symbol "I-MIND" to remind myself that my I-MIND is entirely invisible to my brain. A great book, should one be interested (?)... is The Path of the Masters, by Julian Johnson, available in most libraries. Peace
 
May 2010
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We might begin with asking the question... what is the MIND, or I-MIND (with the "I" indicating that the MIND is quite invisible to the brain].all-of-man copy.png This is my sketch of the two parts of the MIND. Both are invisible to the physical brain, and thus the brain is quite useless in attempting to study or come to understand the MIND.
 
May 2010
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Regarding "free will"... What is the "will" in this instance? Is it simply desire to do, or to have? Or is it a compulsion disguised as a desire? And all such rhetoric is, in the end, Intellectualism, or thinking about that which the brain will never know [experience]. The brain is a physical muscle located in the skull, and it will never experience any part of the MIND, except for feelings [which are stepped-down emotions]... or what I refer to as "Delusional Thinking" which are thoughts fed to the Left-Hemisphere of the brain by one's I-MIND. We are taught that the brain is a most remarkable thing. It is, of course, however, it is also very limited when compared to the processes and dimensions of operations the MIND is involved in.
 
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I have a question... how come "psychology" has splintered itself into so many different categories? Is this by any chance due to the fact that more and more words are needed to cause people to "think" they are learning something about the I-MIND? No part of the brain can perceive any part of the I-MIND. Behavior is like pee found in a stream. No amount of discussion will tell us where that pee was introduced to that stream?